New Harvest Thresholds When the number of harvested mountain lions reaches the threshold, that zone closes to the additional harvest of mountain lions at sundown the Wednesday immediately following. In the last few years, only a few elk or elk sign has been seen, mainly around Rock Canyon and the Pine Hollow habitat treatments. The elevation in this area ranges from approximately 1,650' on the plateau region to 8,028' on Mount Trumbull. See all stats but the last 2 years with a free account! Articles often lead to false expectations; huge bucks do not exist behind every tree anywhere in the world. Older age "mature" bulls are taken on a regular basis. Northern half of the unit is ponderosa pine and mixed conifer forest, rolling hills, and high mountains. The Grand Canyon National Park is not open to hunting. This unit is not known for producing large bulls, though elk in the 300-inch or larger range are occasionally taken. According to Arizona Game and Fish, Hunt No. The Grand Canyon National Park is not open to hunting. If the deer are low and you glass enough it will pay off. During the winter months access to areas within Unit 12 can be extremely limited, even nonexistent. Like many Arizona elk units, 5A bulls are very responsive to calling. Excellent recruitment and low winter mortality for the past several years has lead to population levels similar to the early 90s. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. As the fall progresses the deer become more and more secretive. Remember, 30 bucks are special because they are extremely, extremely rare. Forest road 732 accesses the area around Squaw Peak. The grouse season in the fall provides a beautiful time to camp on the Kaibab and an inability to locate grouse is a great excuse for enjoying some of the finest scenery and weather Arizona has to offer. Studies have shown that the Paunsaugunt deer arrive in Unit 12B in mid-October through early November, extending southward about 8 miles into Arizona. The previous year a few elk were seen and even taken there, and since I had been drawn for elk the previous year I took a chance and was drawn. The terrain in this unit could generally be described as plateau/canyon country. The short story is that at several west side springs where I expected to find rubs and wallows, there were none. No motor vehicles are allowed in the Paria Canyon/Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness Area. Areas: Chukar are found throughout the Kanab Creek drainage and associated side canyons and in Paria Canyon and Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness Area. Areas around Crystal Springs, Sourdough Well, and along the 610 rd near the National Park Boundary provide the best opportunity for finding the often secretive Blue Grouse. Some lions have been harvested incidental to these other activities. Temperatures and conditions may shift from temperate to extreme in the space of several hours. The majority of elk in this unit are located on National Forest lands in the southern part of the unit. The current yearly limit on lions harvested in Unit 12/Zone B stands at 14. In the last couple of years, only a few elk have been spotted along the 12A/12B/12BW boundary on the west side of the Kaibab Plateau. Overview: Unit 12A is home to one of the most unique game animals in Arizona and perhaps the nation. Keep movements to a minimum, scan the surrounding area constantly, and listen for turkey vocalizations. The premium late season rut hunts in Unit 12A-East have the highest success rates on big mule deer, but lots of huge bucks have been taken in the early rifle and archery hunts. Four-wheel drive, chains, shovels, and winches can keep you hunting instead of being stuck for a day. During the fall hunt, turkey hunting is a totally different game. Finally, mule deer throughout their range are altering their behavior as hunting pressure increases. Many come with visions of 32 wide racks with multiple points per side, still others are happy with a tender yearling forkhorn. The fall hunt is often characterized by warm to hot daytime temperatures and afternoon rains. Often roosting turkeys will respond to these calls giving a hunter a location to begin the mornings hunt. Overview: Unit 12A, world famous for the Kaibab Deer Herd, is also home to one of the premier turkey populations in the state of Arizona. These areas are open to foot and horseback travel only. This exotic game bird, native to the Middle East, was introduced into various areas in Arizona. Thanks a ton ! Look for areas with mixed conifer, aspens, and berry bushes in close proximity. No motor vehicles are allowed in the Paria Canyon/Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness Area. These units are specifically managed for wildlife values other than elk, and an established elk population is not desirable. Note: 12BW is the entire portion of 12B that is west of BLM road 1065 (House Rock Valley/ Coyote Valley Road), excluding the Paria Plateau. Several restaurants, store, fuel, dump stations available in several locations between Jacob and the rim. Finally, enjoy the finest terrain, climate, and surroundings that nature has to offer, the Kaibab Plateau. This includes chasing, pursuing, or herding antelope with any type of vehicle. On the Kaibab Plateau the bird has a very restricted range occupying mixed conifer habitat types near the south end of the Kaibab National Forest and is also found in the Grand Canyon National Park North Rim. Conditions can vary from 80 degrees to below freezing, from sunny to snow, and from pleasant to down right ugly. However, for the past few years, bison have been seen near Wall Lake, as well as along Forest Service Roads 219B, 223, 270, and 610. We consider 5B North to have 350+ potential on early archery hunts. Also, Jacobs Lake is about 30 minutes from the canyon and a great spot to camp. The average age of a buck harvested on the late hunts has climbed from just over two years of age to over 4 years of age in the past several years, yearling buck weights have stabilized at an acceptable level in recent years and as a result antler development has been excellent. Antlerless Hunting: After several years of antlerless hunting, many of the does on the plateau have become as hunter-wise as most bucks. During big winter storms, unit experiences snowfalls that can make travel hazardous. Some say the great days of the Kaibab are past, others maintain things are as good or better than ever, and still others claim things will be great in the future. Be prepared for extreme weather. Follow a few simple rules and your chance of success will increase exponentially. Grand Canyon National Park, North Rim 928-638-7888, view harvest thresholds and zone closures. Pronghorn are also found along the edge of the plateau in the pinyon-juniper transition zone. Salt licks are a great attractant for deer and provide the same opportunity as waterholes. Contact Us Contact Us Thank you for your interest in our Deer and Elk Hunts. The Kaibab uplift extends into Utah about 15 miles, so a big bull might wander to the south and spend summer up in the high country (the Kaibab runs for 60 miles above 8000 ft and down at the GC park boundary it's over 9000). Use temperature ranges to plan and prepare for your hunt. The prepared hunter is often the successful hunter. Enjoy the natural splendor of the Kaibab Plateau, revel in your good fortune at having a tag, but most of all be a responsible sportsman and represent our sport in the best manner possible. Antlerless Hunting: After several years of antlerless hunting, many of the does on the plateau have become as hunter-wise as most bucks. The highest densities of bighorn sheep are going to be in the Paria Canyon-Vermillion Cliffs Wilderness Area from above the community of Vermillion Cliffs to Bush head. During the fall hunt gas, food, and lodging can be found in Fredonia, Jacob Lake, and near DeMotte Park. Some lions have been harvested incidental to these other activities. 3799 - Units 12A, 12B, 13A, and 13B have an extremely low-density elk population, about 40-50 elk combined for all four units. Identification seems to be a prevalent problem for first time grouse hunters as poult turkeys, Band-tailed Pigeons, and even Northern Goshawks are often mistaken for grouse. Beginning at U.S. Hwy 89A and the Kaibab National Forest boundary near mp 566; southerly and easterly along the forest boundary to Grand Canyon National Park; northeasterly along the park boundary to Glen Canyon National Recreation area; easterly along the recreation area boundary to the Colorado River; northeasterly along the Colorado River to the Arizona-Utah state line; westerly along the state line to Kanab Creek; southerly along Kanab Creek to the Kaibab National Forest boundary; northerly, easterly, and southerly along this boundary to U.S. Hwy 89A near mp 566; except those portions that are sovereign tribal lands of the Kaibab Band of Paiute Indians. Concentrate in areas dominated by this type of vegetation and look for turkey tracks in the snow, mud, dust, or around water sources. Waterhole hunting becomes less productive as frost begins to supply the need for water. Send us an email at [emailprotected] to learn more. Areas:Any areas with concentrations of deer often have lions associated with them. Game Management Unit 12A Elevations vary from 3,000' to more than 9,200', with a large plateau, the Kaibab, comprising a majority of the unit. During the hunting seasons, unit 12A is characterized by sudden and drastic weather changes. New Detailed bison hunt information web page. Elk use open grasslands and sparsely forested areas more than most people think, and since these areas usually have fewer roads it is much easier to escape hunting pressure in these areas. Grouse, like squirrels, appear to be most active early in the morning but walking throughout the day can result in flushed birds. From the South: U.S. Hwy 89A, Wahweap Marina Campground at Lake Powell, administered by the National Park Service; Page Lake Powell Campground, 849 S. Coppermine Rd. Depending on the amount of snow fall, Pigeon Canyon and Gunsight Point to the west are generally best after early November. The unit's terrain is very rocky with rugged mountains. By this time of year the deer are visiting water in the dark. Travel Management Planning Update: The BLM is the primary federal land management agency across unit12B. Glen Canyon National Recreation Area 928 608-6200 The deeply eroded terrain is characterized by many protruding rock formations, with the massive sandstone Vermilion Cliffs dominating the landscape. These areas are open to foot and horseback travel only. Less pressure o grow big? Please contact any department office for additional information or to purchase an elk OTC tag. Birds are usually found in isolated coveys, and can (usually do) descend thousands of feet into inaccessible canyons after being flushed. The hunter questionnaire link is located on the back of your tag. Proactive management steps in the form of an Alternative Management Plan and a large scale habitat improvement project in cooperation with the USFS have been taken by the Arizona Game and Fish Department in order to maintain a favorable buck:doe ratio, increase the representation of older age bucks in the population, ensure long term high quality habitat, and provide for greater hunt success. Unit 12A - first choice. You've got a lot of country to access. Elevation ranges are based on weather stations in or near the unit. Major Cities and Towns in or Near Game Management Unit and Nearest Gas, Food, and Lodging Areas: During the spring turkey hunt significant winter snowfall can affect access and often dictates hunting locations. You could hire a outfitter to get in there and pin down where the few elk are. Forest road 68G accesses Tule Mesa, and forest road 68 access the Pine Mountain Wilderness. Huge bucks, forkhorns, and even does have been the objects of desire for hunters in this unit. This squirrel is most active early in the morning and just prior to dark and is always associated with Ponderosa Pines. This may be a good place to introduce yourself and your site or include some credits. Drier habitat conditions further to the east limit use of this area. The bulls I saw near Bryce were while mule deer hunting. Although these are a little tougher hunts, a trophy Arizona elk is definitely a likely possibility to harvest. Use common sense; dont take shortcuts as they often take a lot longer than the more sensible route. As a result of continued drought those areas of higher elevation, specifically those areas with spruce/fir/aspen forests have been the most productive areas for the past several years. Beginning at U.S. Hwy 89A and the Kaibab Naitonal Forest boundary near mp 566; southerly and easterly along the forest boundary to Grand Canyon National Park; southerly and westerly along the park boundary to Kanab Creek; northerly along Kanab Creek to Snake Gulch; northerly, easterly and southerly around the Kaibab National Forest boundary to U.S. Hwy 89A near mp 566. But, if you plan to go regardless you should try to reach the AZGFD wildlife manager for that zone if at all possible and see if you can get some hints as to where to look. Areas: The Buckskin Mountains in the central portion of the unit contains the highest densities of deer and is best to hunt after mid-October. On a 12A early hunt, once again, dont bother with pinyon/juniper habitat types unless it has snowed. Page, Marble Canyon, Jacob Lake, Cliff Dwellers, Fredonia, Major Highways and Roads Leading To Arizona Game and Fish Department, Region II 928 774-5045 Notice: Archery deer hunters Unit 12B and 12B West are not an open area for over-the-counter tag holders since 2008. With continued and persistent drought the woody winter browse in 12AW has been less than productive for the past several years and as result concerns over the carrying capacity of this vital range are warranted. The large canyons and rocky areas that form the edges of the Kaibab plateau, both on the east and west side of the plateau, are likely areas to locate lion sign. A few, very few elk wander south from Utah now and then. Check for current or recent wildfires in this area. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Areas around Crystal Springs, Sourdough Well, and along the 610 rd near the National Park Boundary provide the best opportunity for finding the often secretive Blue Grouse. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission authorized over-the-counter (OTC) elk tags that include units 12A and 12B and others (see regulations). Elk Hunting Arizona Elk 2a,2b,2c Ronin75 Oct 26, 2019 Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member R Ronin75 Well-Known Member Joined Feb 29, 2012 Messages 570 Oct 26, 2019 #1 Anyone have experience hunting the above units for elk? A forum community dedicated to hunting and fishing enthusiasts in the Arizona area. Camping is allowed in designated areas and within 30 of open roadways on Forest Service administered lands throughout the unit. Being in position at first shooting light can be critical as the big boys are often bedded down for the day within minutes of the sun breaking the horizon. If you end up wanting to take a camping trip and see the Grand Canyon then 12A is a great spot. Got a Buffalo up there , why ont Elk ? Camping is allowed on BLM administered lands over most of the unit. You know when they say that something sounds too good to be true then A forum community dedicated to hunting and fishing enthusiasts in the Arizona area. Also look for turkey scratch, those locations where flocks of turkeys have been feeding and have disturbed the litter layer of the forest floor. Most of the scouting packages we offer are two days. While calling in a higher-pressure unit like 5A it often requires a hunter to be very mobile. Weather can vary by elevation. Occasionally, depending on rainfall and the availability of forage, coveys can be found in some of the shallow drainages along Kanab Creek. During the spring hunt be prepared for cold temperatures and even snow. Areas: Any areas with concentrations of deer or sheep often have lions associated with them. Your big game hunter questionnaire will no longer be mailed to you. Hunters obtaining an elk tag should be aware that this unit has few elk and is considered a limited opportunity hunt. The Department reminds hunters that bison within these hunt areas may not be present during the hunt. Be prepared for a wide range of conditions including severe winter weather. The units lower elevations, those surrounding the plateau, consist of pinyon-juniper stands, open sagebrush, and cliff rose pushes. Unit 12A is bounded on the south by the Grand Canyon, on the west by Kanab Creek, on the east by House Rock Valley, and on the north by the Buckskin Mountains and the Arizona-Utah border. . Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Older age "mature" bulls are taken on a regular basis. That is not a problem since the other units may not have any elk at all. As the weather continues to cool down and the snow fall increases, Kaibab deer from the western portion of the plateau move down towards Pigeon Canyon, Toothpick Ridge and Gunsight Point, making this area best after early November. The current yearly limit on lions harvested in Unit 12 stands at 14. Is it tough to draw, what is the hunting pressure like and elk density like. The lion population in Unit 12 is a migratory population of roughly 60-80 animals with the lions essentially following the deer herd as it migrates from summer to winter ranges. Worst case you get to explore az with some friends! Data currently indicates that buck: doe ratios, a very important management statistic, have rebounded as of late and are significantly higher than the statewide average. Great Buffalo viewing areas a couple miles north of park entry, If your Lucky. Learn more, 2018 Bison Hunter Packet 2017 Spring/Summer bison clinic video 2017 Fall bison clinic video. This herd generally varies from 15 to 30 animals, depending on movement between 13A and Utah. Overview: According to David Brown in Arizona Game Birds the Blue grouse is a native of the Kaibab Plateau and restricted locals in the White Mountains. Non-resident draw odds reach 100% at ~12-13 bonus points for both units. Use the link, or scan code to get to this page and select the questionnaire for your hunt. Proactive management steps in the form of an Alternative Management Plan and a large scale habitat improvement project in cooperation with the USFS have been taken by the Arizona Game and Fish Department in order to maintain a favorable buck:doe ratio, increase the representation of older age bucks in the population, ensure long term high quality habitat, and provide for greater hunt success. Many hunters utilize horses and mules, snowmobiles, and other recreational vehicles to overcome these access limitations. Conditions can vary from 80 degrees to below freezing, from sunny to snow, and from pleasant to down right ugly. Other areas to consider are Badger Springs and Soap Spring along the Vermillion Cliffs within the wilderness area. The Warm Springs and Nail Canyon areas in 12AW, the Cocks Combs area in 12AE, and the Paria Platea have seen harvests in recent years and are good starting points. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. It'd be a great trip to take and walk around the woods/sit some watering holes for a day or two as a bonus; and hope to be the luckiest hunter ever. Concentrate your efforts in areas with rim-rock and significant changes in elevation. Areas: Concentrate your efforts on the southeast side of the Plateau in sub-unit 12AE. J John McLaughlin Registered With conditions slowly improving in the burned area of 12AW, and with the initiation of a landscape scale habitat restoration effort, the outlook for the Kaibab deer herd is indeed very optimistic. If you are fortunate enough to draw one of the most sought after deer tags in the United States come to the Kaibab with realistic expectations. *There are currently no Population Management Seasons for elk tags available for successfully drawn deer hunters in Units 12A East and/or West. Approximately 20% of Arizona's elk hunting opportunity is found in this unit. Remember, we hunt for the experience. Units 36A, B and C and unit 35A and 35B have good populations of mule deer (and whitetail deer). Overview: Antelope in Hunt Units 12A/12B are found primarily in House Rock Valley on the east side of the Kaibab Plateau in the grassland/desert scrub. Concentrate in areas dominated by this type of vegetation and look for turkey tracks in the snow, mud, dust, or around water sources. Motor vehicle travel is restricted to existing roads on all BLM land in the Unit. Unit 12A continues to provide the turkey hunter and/or wildlife enthusiast a unique opportunity to observe Merriams Turkeys. Harvesting birds should be viewed as a bonus. Ill definitely pm you sooner than later. . BLM road 1065 runs north from U.S. Hwy 89A to U.S. Hwy 89 in Utah between the Buckskin Mountains and the Paria Plateau. After this hunt, you will know what hunt never to apply for again, other then Lots of deer in whole area, and some monsters. If you are fortunate enough to receive a coveted 12B deer or sheep tag, you might consider purchasing a mountain lion tag before heading to the Unit. Overview: According to David Brown in Arizona Game Birds the Blue grouse is a native of the Kaibab Plateau and restricted locals in the White Mountains. Although 12A/12B is not known for its record breaking antelope bucks, hunt success has typically been around 40% for archery and 100% for rifle. It has also been introduced in the San Francisco Peaks area near Flagstaff. Follow a few simple rules and your chance of success will increase exponentially. Other Pertinent Climate Information This behavior includes becoming more and more nocturnal, spending more time in thick aspen and mixed conifer stands, and remaining in unroaded canyon habitats. The best hunting techniques include walking, and watching and listening while sitting with your back to a tree. Antlerless hunters continue to enjoy high hunt success. Be prepared for snow, mud, and adverse weather conditions, and bring plenty of supplies. JavaScript is disabled. While calling can sometimes be productive, the most successful technique is more similar to archery hunting mule deer. Not all weather elements are available within the unit. North of Kane Ranch, there are a few groups of antelope scattered throughout the rolling hills. Some bighorns have also been taken from the north rim of the Paria Canyon and near spring sources along the Vermilion Cliffs. Hunt success figures have fluctuated around the 40-50% range for the last decade, some of the highest hunt success for mule deer in the state. Being in position at first shooting light can be critical as the big boys are often bedded down for the day within minutes of the sun breaking the horizon. This is my first year being drawn for elk and got a tag for all 12 and 13 units for any elk and this tag is good until April of '19. City of Page Chamber of Commerce 928 645-2741, Https://www.azgfd.com/Hunting/Questionnaires/, https://www.azgfd.com/Hunting/Questionnaires/. Check stock tanks for elk use (tracks) prior to the season. Several roads lead along the edge to the west on west side, some Excellent views all the way to the bottom, see the Colorado river and all. Good boots, parkas, and camping gear can make or break your hunt. The Kaibab Squirrel is a subspecies of the Aberts Squirrel which is found only on the Kaibab Plateau, Mount Logan, and Mount Trumbull. 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