Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. Maybe he lost patience with her. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. 3. 1. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. My question is how do you smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths? I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. At least I would have. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. Ugh. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri etc. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. Youre obviously trolling! Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? Bella Watts Autospy Report Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. A . She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. I think despite her bravado, she had insecurities just like everyone else, with both herself, and her roles as wife and mother AND someone working in an MLM. Makes me so sick. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. He was asleep. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. Hence, no struggle, no stretches. I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. The FBI agents had already profiled that the wife had been strangled because theyd been through the house with luminol & found no blood splatter, and because children were involved also believed smothering was involved. She also wanted to make her marriage work. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? You should apologise to him actually for your rude remarks in your comment. So that indicates perhaps that she and Bella were murdered around the same time as Shanann Im guessing. The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. I meant three perfectly formed humans. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! I wouldnt throw that out the window. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. What are the odds???? I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. Straight up facts. Are you a parent? One body was face down in the south side of the tank. They didnt do date nights. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. None of that is going to me made public, for obvious reasons. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. Wow, you are really reaching here. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. The detective said not really. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. So completely terrible. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. RIP Angels. . His integrity shows through all the time. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. He had only a few friends. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. Chris only saw things with one lense. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. This story breaks my heart. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. 1. dirty murderer! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. This would explain how she didnt fight! 1. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Your thoughts? She didnt try to bite him? This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. Stranglehold Theory. He snapped and I was terrified of him. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Very CW. She was not drinking while pregnant! I lived with one. Even flailing my legs they werent even reaching him. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. And then you test it in various scenarios. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. You know theres plenty of that right? https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. It was all a complete lie. That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. Face? Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. On page one of the report in the list of Diagnoses, it states:- If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. Utter Rubbish! I just dont understand this. Its horrible. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? I actually tried this with my husband. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? Do you have any family that said she had OCD? No sign of that either. Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! Kick him? But think about it. It would be good to hear your assessment of his assessment. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? Shanann was in there with her on top of her. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. Shanann Watts. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. Plenty of women do. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. I do know a lot of women who do this also. Page 582, 6. Have they watched something? The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported. Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. You can see it in his eyes. Never mind! would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. You see any documents with that diagnosis? If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. I love that guy. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. Same with NK. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. No, it doesnt. She even labelled food in her kitchen. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. I am shocked shes not been charged too. Police saw a bed sheet. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. Her fully formed gallstone may have contributed to her not feeling well during her last MLM trip. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. Unless I missed it? No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? Thats inaccurate. This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. Googled ways to suffocate children? And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. They were out of town and it was still spotless. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. could also suggest a Stranglehold. Blood Alcohol. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? And so on. The Netflix show details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her, a fact she spilled to numerous friends in anguished text messages. Neither of them passed any body fluids. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. Your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work legs... 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