God the Father, son and spirit is one and same person in three forms to carry out different functions for man. If you give the pizza delivery guy the wrong address, youll never get your pizza. The story of Elevation since then is one of attention-grabbing sermon series and ever-rising attendance numbers. The passage says nothing about it, but we might imagine it anyway. As he also told the disciples he would not always be with them physically; Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7, which brought forth the gifts of the Spirit, even gifts of healing and miracles 1 Corinthians 12:9,10. See, John 14:17 for he dwells with you (old testament), and shall be in you (new testament). So, then how much greater exploits, Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. What power? I have friends who were conceived because their mothers were raped. Joyce Meyer, greatest Bible teacher alive today . If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever. Seems to me it is a pure case of it. The Father and Son are obviously, clearly, biblically, and logically distinct from one another. The difference isnt trivial. In this case, I consider it helpful to provide a general warning. In apologetics these days, there is so much information just slamming around, one needs to be able to verify the claims. For mature, well-educated believers, there is less danger than for others. After all, someone might say: whos to say that God is NOT energy? God can and does use faithful people, unfaithful people, and even wicked people for His own purposes. Im struggling with whether I am making a mountain out of a mole hill, or whether Im being discerning. Heres something we can know with certainty: Gods power was not trapped in their perspective. Thats the direction of Furticks point, and its plain and simple evidence that hes comfortable pouring his own meaning INTO the text (eisegesis) rather than deriving Gods meaning OUT OF the text (exegesis). My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. Furtick is the proud son of Larry Stevens Furtick (father) and Faith Furtick (mother). Once born again the believer needs to grow. The question is whether a teacher directly contradicts the Bible, or adds to the Bible in a way that compromises the truth in it. Furticks claim is that Jesus was powerless because of their faith. Pastor Steven Furtick. Yes, its possible to present the true, biblical gospel while being wrong about a lot of things. Furtick is the founder and senior pastor of Elevation Church, based in Charlotte. To say that God reveals Himself in three different modes, or offices, or roles, contradicts the plain words of Scripture, including clear statements from Jesus. There are countless clear statements like these in Scripture, and Oneness theology pretty much denies them all. Feel free to build yourself a palace full of nickels. What is wrong with saying; the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith? First, Ive confirmed your subscription to this comment thread. A new grant aims to preserve it. Thanks again. Ask yourself, who was Jesus constantly praying to, himself? I feel the same about Joyce Meyers. If you will, please answer one simple question: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure? At 16, while his old friends partied, Furtick was taking at-risk kids from trailer parks to Frankie's Fun Park. When Paul chastised the foolish churches in Galatia, he did so because they had turned to another gospel. May I share a harsh scripture that not only you, but all of us, may need to consider, Acts 5:38,39. and this Christians power is not his own, as after God used Peter to heal a lame beggar, the apostle explained to astonished onlookers that the man was healed not by Peters own power but through faith in the name of Jesus Christ: Fellow Israelites, why does this surprise you? Unfortunately, thats where it ends. You said: I teach this very plainly: bad things are always bad, and never good.. He didnt know about making disciples, as the KJV only says to teach and doesnt say make disciples. When we walked through some other New Testament verses about discipleship, he was grieved. I mean plainly and obviously do you believe that God is ever POWERLESS to do what He wants in any given situation because your decision RENDERS Him powerless? 3. How did God respond? Oneness theology isnt simply monotheism. The son is NOT the Father, nor is He the Spirit. Ive been wondering why people say hes a false teacher. What do you think? Dont listen to false teachers, and dont defend those who teach falsely. Does being wrong confidently wrong mean hes not saved? God Himself saves us because we have met His terms of agreement. For example, in that same passage, a narcigete would put themselves in Jesus place. That way we avoid arguments about one persons opinions being more correct than another persons opinions. I am glad you dont have that aversion , as Hebrews 11, the Faith Hall of Fame is full of great deeds of faith, speaking of those who moved God with faith. Feel free to disagree with Sproul. Sproul writes in his commentary Mark: The circumstances by which God the Holy Spirit unleashed [Christs] power were not available there, because there was a judgment of God on the town of Nazareth. Thanks for letting me know. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. Does this man believe ? What can we say about these people? Besides: its easy to ask a question like, What does the Bible say about baptism, but the answer isnt so brief. God bless you brother. In human terms though there are also single entities being comprised of multiple persons, and I think this gets us closer to a useful analogy. I thought I left a reply but apparently didnt go through. Those are all from a single passage in John 5. Word On The Street: Community weighs in on Governor Newsom's death penalty executive order. Theres a gigantic difference between Jesus not doing many miracles because of their unbelief and Jesus being unable to exercise Gods power because He was entirely powerless to do so. If your father is not a modalist, he will be able to explain the doctrine of the trinity and be able to explain how the Son is not the Father, for example. From Phineas Quimby to EW Kenyon to Kenneth Hagin to Furtick, Word of Faith teachers claim that God is limited in what He CAN do, that WE are the ones who can unlock His power and allow Him to act as Hed LIKE to act, and that its our MINDSET that keeps us from reaping the amazing benefits of being born again. "But, gosh, we're all on the same team." Not trapped in their perspective.? Why? There seem to be a lot of controversies/criticisms about Steven Furtick and Elevation church doctrines and also rumors of false teaching. Yet not as I will, but as you will. Gavin Newsom in 2019 that temporarily lifted the statute of limitations regarding child sexual abuse lawsuits. He noted that a prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home. Verse 58 says this: And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith. Thanks for trying to help. Through His Son, that which was unclean -was made clean-. Steven was born on February 19, 1980, in Moncks Corner, South Carolina, United States of America. Thank you for this. True, I must admit I was not accurate as to what God can do, and does in His sovereignty, but still the scripture Mark 6:5 ; And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. sounds so close to Matthew 13:58, as here He was powerless to do no mighty work, Jesus was blocked, and even marveled at it, saying it was because of their unbelief. As for did and could, do you really think that its okay to misquote clear passages of Scripture? "It's where the pastor gets his game face on.". The Bible is about God, and we learn about Him and about ourselves by reading it. There is no other God beside Him. Was honored during Pastor Appreciation Month 2015 with a 3-minute rap-and-dance video starring Elevation staffers. It Was A Good Fight. The coverage of Furtick in the American Gospel series confirms this. Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. Instead, Christ could not do many miracles because the circumstances under which the Lord readily shows Himself were not present. Heres an example: Furtick has taught modalism. Can Revelation 22:18-19 apply to the whole Bible. Man has three components likewise God. There is no other God before Him, neither would there be one formed after Him. Jesus was. Buddhists will talk about becoming one with everything by losing your self-identity. Yes, I have the final word on what gets published, but that only applies when people are being unduly combative or promoting things I cant promote. Teaching that reading about Jesus is anything like reading about ourselves goes too far. Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. In my experience, people who are willing to be led by the Holy Spirit into a clear understanding of Scripture will change their minds easily. Pastor Steven Furtick (left), of Elevation Church, and Pastor Terrell Murphy, of New Birth Charlotte, pray together before a large crowd at the close of a shared service for the two churches at. But he had questions. A very simple way to assess anyones belief system is to ask them about the nature of God. Sun Stand Still: What Happens When You Dare to Ask God for the Impossible. If your point is that hes not a false teacher, then you must agree with these things or at least think theyre inconsequential. I was also intrigued by the Baptist form of preaching, energetic compared to Catholic masses. He was unable to do many miracles there because of their disbelief. And PHILLIPS Any person who went through good theological college would have known about sound theology of three persons in one God mystery. His birth sign is Pisces. If not, Elevation music is just music some great, some good, some average, some not so much. I know that his command leads to eternal life. Do you see it? Its a waste of your time and mine. Matthew 26 gives us more: My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Some criticize: He's taking members from other churches. Some laughed, some wiped away tears as the steady line of people headed for the changing rooms. Thanks, so I will just try to answer a couple of things. In John 16:7 Jesus said, It is for your good that I am going away. You have to get past looking at your sickness and thinking about your sickness, and you have to start seeing yourself well. Provoking conversation to say the least. As a teacher, Steven Furtick should be avoided. The context here makes it clear that Jesus was referring to the prophecies in Revelation. They demote God from the all-powerful, all-knowing being that He is into a victim of a clever demon that He created the Creator was tricked by His creation, failed to see the future, and was rendered impotent as a result. And, I am sure you could have hit a few more points and added many more examples. Theres nothing left for Him to do. He was into Nirvana and Guns n' Roses. If eternal life matters (and it does), then teaching and preaching the truth about God matters. Second Person: just like in English, the subject of the verb. The law extended the age at which victims could file civil lawsuits over abuse to 40. By grace ye are saved, and that is a mighty work, but it is through faith, (Eph. The old saying; If I had a nickel for every time this was presented. Well anyway, I would have a lot of nickels! Clearly, modalism contradicts Scripture. Theres a GIGANTIC difference between what God CAN do and what God WILL do. As interesting, this is the last verse of a long chapter, yet just before this, Jesus makes that famous quote; A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country. Its not that God enables us to do things because we trust Him and obey Him. Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. Is it okay to sing the songs, but not go to the concert? Let me know what you think. does not equate to Gods blessing. The Father sends the Holy Spirit after Jesus goes back to Him, and so on. If you have something to say, include Scripture. In a Facebook post from 2021, Furtick wrote this: Following Jesus doesnt change you into something else, it reveals who youve been all along. Jesus, clearly, claimed to be God and His disciples taught that. Sarah didnt have faith that God could give her a son, but He did anyway. Steven Furtick is an interesting person, a gifted communicator, and probably a pretty nice guy. (Furticks church, Elevation, is Southern Baptist. I would also consider it blasphemy. God existed, then created humans, then became the Son to carry out different functions. As the founder and pastor of Elevation Church home of the popular Christian music group Elevation Worship he has a great amount of influence and a worldwide audience. The thief on the cross was a special case. But, Jesus knew that a resurrection would be greater show of his power, than a mere healing! Not getting respect is a symptom of unbelief, which will result in let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. (James 1:7) exactly which happened here in Mark 6:5,6. He knows better than you or I what your father needs. Thanks. No, its simple as hearing; In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13.These scripture tell us God uses faith, as faith is action, or acting on after that you heard the word of truth. The Scriptures are enough. This does not match what we see in Scripture. That doesnt mean, however, that its okay to be unfaithful or wicked. The romantic duo exchanged their wedding vows on June 3, 2002. Myles Munroe is a good example, and you can see that. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Steven Furtick Jr. is an American Baptist evangelical Christian pastor and songwriter of Elevation Worship. We want to understand the context of this passage before we even think about applying it. In the end, you should be praying for your father and listening to the Holy Spirit. God is not limited by creation, but is above creation, transcends creation. Having said that, great reading. A very dangerous course: What Saddleback Church ouster means for Southern Baptists. Steven Furtick earned a Master of Divinity degree from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. There's also the cool factor, stoked by a marketing-savvy Elevation staff of flip-flop-and-T-shirt-wearing twentysomethings. I get why these actually misdescribe the Trinity and are ultimately unhelpful. Can a man present the gospel that may be doctrinally incorrect on other matters ? If Steven Furtick fails to actually tell people how to get to Heaven, theyll never get there. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I am not lifting up Furtick, rather just contending for the faith. We began to suffer from the pain of our loss, and although we did give birth to two healthy children, our marriage ended in divorce. Thanks for your work. No worries. Galatians 3:13 says, Christ has (past tense) redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. The curse includes every sickness and every disease (Deuteronomy 28:15-68). What looks like Modalism, or ONENESS Pentecostalism, can just be an attempt to express what classic theology calls circumincessionism or the indwelling of each Person in another Person in the Holy Trinity. Dont trust me. His takeaway his summation for the sermon was the the people in Nazareth thought too little of themselves. Gods power was not trapped in their unbelief. That elevates us higher than the Scriptures indicate, and limits God in ways the Scriptures dont. Learn a little Greek. Please feel free to respond to the content of that comment, rather than simply complaining about my tone. In Matthew 13:53-58 Jesus is in His hometown, and Hes not getting the same kind of response there that He got elsewhere. Thats part of the reason people like Furtick have a huge audience. 1:16. When you find where God wants you, it will be satisfying and rewarding and frustrating and youll need patience and grace and perseverance because the church is filled with broken people who are in the middle of being put back together. Some professing Christians have concluded from texts like this that human faith gives power to God. Just as a manipulating womanizer can say true things, false teachers can be kind, sincere, morally upright people. In other words, once we understand the term God, even within the phrase there is ONLY one God, means a single entity comprised of three persons, the simplest aspect of the Trinity isnt so difficult. Bottom line, does he teach the gospel, does he glorify Jesus, does he teach repentance as a lifestyle, does he teach the importance of obedience, does it teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, if they teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ??? 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